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An Interview with Jonathan L. Reed by John D. Spalding John D. Spalding is a frequent contributor to the Christian Century. This article appeared in The Christian Century, July 29, 2008, pp. 28-30. Copyright by the Christian Century Foundation; used by permission. Current articles and subscriptions information can be found at www.christiancentury.org. This material was prepared for Religion Online by Ted Brock. Unless we understand
something of life in the first century, says archaeologist Jonathan L. Reed, we
have "no chance of understanding Jesus or Paul, Peter or Mary."
Archaeological finds provide "an intimate glimpse into the past," he
writes; and they help us "imagine the lives of people who were once real
not just names in a book." A professor of New
Testament at the University of La Verne in California, Reed started excavating
at sites in Galilee more than 20 years ago. He is a member of the research
council at Claremont Graduate University's Institute for Antiquity and
Christianity and is the author of Archaeology
and the Galilean Jesus. He has coauthored
two books with John Dominic Crossan--Excavating Jesus and In Search of Paul. His
latest book is The HarperCollins Visual Guide to the New Testament. What can archaeology tell us about the
New Testament and Jesus, and what can't it tell us? Archaeology
doesn't confirm or deny any of the Bible's spiritual, moral or religious claims.
It's not an arbiter of faith. It puts the events and stories of the New
Testament into a much richer and deeper context. It cuts through 2,000 years of
history and thousands of miles of geography and helps us to understand the
words and deeds of Jesus more as his contemporaries would have--which is often
quite different from what we take them to mean in 21st-century America. No archaeological evidence of Jesus'
first-century followers has ever been found. What does that tell us? Most of Jesus'
early followers were lower-class people who were considered unimportant by the
political and literary elite. Christians flew under the radar, staying under
the surface until the end of the second century, when they emerged as people
with a visual and a literary culture. It also suggests
that most of Jesus' earliest followers were Jewish and didn't use images. So
even if they believed in Jesus as the Messiah, they wouldn't represent that
belief in a pictorial way recognizable to us. When we examine a first-century synagogue
today, we can't tell if it's a place that Jesus' followers would have attended
or not. You note that according to the
archaeological record, the cross didn't appear as a Christian symbol until the
fifth century. The earliest
representation of a cross is actually from the second century. It was created
by a pagan making fun of Christians! We're pretty sure that over the first few
centuries of the Christian era the cross conveyed a sense of shame. For
instance, Paul talks about it as a stumbling block for Jews and as foolishness
to Greeks. It was a long time before Christians started wearing it around their
necks. Was the cross a source of shame simply
because it was a reminder that the Messiah had died? Not just that he
died, but that he represented subversion and insurrection against Roman power.
Even if you bought into the message, and thought of yourself as being
subversive of the Roman Empire--as most Christians believed they were--that's
not something you advertised. Why invite further persecution? Some of the most significant
archaeological discoveries related to the New Testament have been made within
the past 30 or 40 years. How much of that is due to Middle Eastern politics? The number one
reason for these discoveries is the establishment of the state of Israel in
1948. And the 1967 war made archaeology possible in parts of Jerusalem where it
wasn't possible before. A generation of Jews who are curious about their
heritage are excavating sites relevant to the history of Judaism. People interested
in Jesus and his earliest Jewish followers are piggybacking on their work. How would you describe current
investigations against the broader history of archaeology in the Holy Land? In the past,
biblical archaeologists, if I may use that term, were trained mostly in the
Bible and biblical languages, and they went to the Holy Land to try to find
sites and artifacts that would prove scripture to be accurate. That never
worked, and most of the discoveries that were initially heralded as proof of
events described in the Old Testament have either been completely disproved or
shown to be unable to carry the burden of proof. In the past 30
years or so biblical archaeology has changed completely. Most people working in
the field have been trained in anthropology or archaeology, and they simply
want to understand as much as possible, historically and culturally, the world
in which the Bible was written. Some are much less aware of current research in
biblical studies. Then there are people like me who try to bridge the gap and
do both archaeology and biblical studies. That's difficult because both
disciplines have become very sophisticated and specialized. Let's consider one recent excavation--the
work at Sepphoris, Herod Antipas's capital, four miles northwest of Nazareth.
What does it tell us about first-century Jews who lived nearby? Sepphoris is one
of the most deceiving sites for people interested in archaeology and the
historical Jesus because all of its wonderful pagan art and architecture gives
the impression that Jesus lived in an absolutely Hellenized city. But scrape
off the many layers from the third, fourth and sixth centuries and one finds a
small first-century Jewish city that was clearly averse to the overtly pagan
influences that were sweeping over the broader Mediterranean world. In Jesus'
day, it was a fairly conservative city. But I wouldn't
want to minimize how dramatic an impact Sepphoris would have had on a peasant
like Jesus visiting it for the first time. There he'd have seen public
architecture, large houses and impressive decorations. Also, the fact that
during Jesus' youth Herod Antipas made Sepphoris a large urban center with
about 10,000 people had a profound socioeconomic effect on the area. As
Galilee's commercial center, Sepphoris demanded most of the region's
agricultural goods. The main function of surrounding towns like Nazareth was to
feed that growing city. As eye-opening as Sepphoris must have
been for Jesus, nothing could have prepared him for his first visit to
Jerusalem and the Temple. He must have
been shocked. Think of his disciples--Galilean peasants--going down to
Jerusalem as recorded in Mark 13 and gawking at the Temple and saying to Jesus,
"Look at these enormous stones." It's not just that they're country
bumpkins. A Roman officer who'd seen the entire world would have been amazed by
Herod the Great's Temple, and archaeological research has underscored why.
Herod was one of the greatest builders of the ancient world, and the Temple was
his greatest architectural feat. Few other structures compared to it in sheer
size. Herod incorporated Roman architectural
features in building the Temple. Though he did nothing that would have directly
offended the Jews, could there have been some Roman elements in the Temple's
design that would have disturbed Jesus? That's a
million-dollar question: What did Jesus see at the Temple that made him upset
enough to overturn the tables of the moneychangers and the people trading out
front? I have a sense that as someone from Galilee who preached equality and on
behalf of the poor, Jesus was not impressed by the splendor of the Temple as an
offering to God or as a vehicle to draw people to God. I think he saw it as a
facade--as shallow, with nothing behind it. And he realized that enormous
resources were required to build the Temple and that some people were making
money off it. I think he understood--and I wish there was more in the New
Testament about this--that his attack was not just against a few immoral people
but against a system that exploited others in the name of God. Which is not the same criticism as that
held by, say, the Essenes, who fled Jerusalem because they felt that the Temple
had become too Hellenized. Jesus seems to
have been less concerned with the Greco-Roman influences. In fact, I don't find
anything anti-Greek in his teachings. For him, the issue was the economic
injustice that was so apparent at the Temple. The comparison I like to make is
to the incredible shopping malls we have in Beverly Hills and Santa Monica, a
few blocks away from where homeless people are living on the street. It's the
juxtaposition of rich and poor. What has archaeology been able to tell us
about lifespan in the first century? That's a topic
on which archaeology gives us the most interesting glimpse. Consider what we
know about the people buried in Galilee and Jerusalem--and remember, only
people who were middle and upper-middle class, and thus had better diets, got
buried in the tombs we've discovered. Half of those people died by the age of
five. One in eight births resulted in the death of the mother. If you were male
and made it to your teenage years, especially to age 16 or 17, then you had a
decent chance of living till 40--possibly even 60, if you had a good diet.
Death was very much a part of life, and the two were not separated because,
unlike today, both birth and death took place in the household. In the bones of
people who lived long lives, one finds arthritic knees, worn right shoulders
and bad lower backs, especially on the left side, because everyone worked hard.
I would think that the aches and pains of daily life slowly ground people down
until they reached their 40s and 50s, at which point they died from any number
of diseases that are easily curable today. The most
revealing medical items are the magical amulets and magical papyri that were
widely used. Belief in the supernatural was very strong. Almost every little
gem or inscribed item is either religious or magical, and they served primarily
to protect individuals from disease. In Egypt, an incredible number of papyri
have to do with spells and cures--they look like pharmaceutical
prescriptions--and they almost always invoke the divine. You had to say the
right words as you applied, say, a paste to your body. It was all about the
magic of healing. That helps us to understand the appeal of Jesus' ministry as
a healer, perhaps more so than as a teacher. He lived in a world that yearned
for health and life. Archaeology not only proves good theories
but disproves bad theories. Can you give an example? In the 1920s,
'30s and '40s, there was an attempt by some to make Jesus non-Jewish, to make
him an Aryan. In the scholarship of that time, Jesus was said to be a
descendant of a group called Itureans, who lived north of Galilee. Others have
tried in a more subtle anti-Semitic way to suggest that because Jesus was so
open and cosmopolitan he couldn't have been Jewish. Or that Galilee must have
been more mixed and syncretistic, and therefore Jesus was not a typical Jew.
But archaeology makes it very clear: Galilee was settled by people from the
south, in and around Jerusalem, in about the second century BCE. So Jesus and
almost all Galileans had to have been Jewish. I wonder if
Galileans in Jesus' day would have been likely to ever see a Roman soldier.
Rome didn't station troops throughout conquered territories, but rather placed
them on frontiers, like Syria, to ward off invading armies. On the other hand,
the Gospels mention Jesus' encounter with a centurion. I don't know if
I can resolve that question. On the Greek side of Capernaum, there's a Roman
legionnaire bathhouse. At first people were excited about a possible connection
between this bathhouse and the figure of the centurion in the Gospels.
Unfortunately, we dated the bathhouse to the second century I doubt that the
Romans were to be found in Capernaum in the 20s and 30s, at the time of Jesus.
This is a great example of how archaeological layering helps us understand the
layering of the Gospels. So the centurion was an invention of
later Gospel writers? That's possible.
The term centurion is actually a
Greek word that means "ruler or leader of a hundred." It's a basic
term for a military or administrative person in Greek armies and Greek civic
life. We know that the Herodians adopted Greek terms for people that they
employed, whether referring to the overseer of the market or of a
police-military force. I'm pretty sure that the guy the Gospels talk about is a
pagan--it's obvious from the stories--and I'm pretty sure he's not a Roman
centurion. It's possible that as the story got told again and again over the
years, and by the time someone wrote it down-- by the time of Luke or
Matthew--the writer was thinking of that person as a Roman, because in that
writer's mind, it was the Romans who were there. Many of Herod's forts and palaces--such
as Herodium, Masada and his winter palace at Jericho--were originally Hasmonean
structures. Why is that significant? It's
illustrative of what Herod was doing, and his architecture bears it out much
more so than do the texts of, say, Josephus. In effect Herod was saying,
"I'm just a new Hasmonean. I'm married into the family and we're in
continuity, so don't think I'm a new ruler. There was just a little court
intrigue, but I'm one of those guys, part of that dynasty." That's what he
was trying to do by claiming these fortresses and refurbishing and expanding
them--and he did that at every single site. And I gather that he lived a little more
high on the hog than his Hasmonean predecessors did. He lived a lot
better. I would love to know how many guests Herod entertained. The same with
Antipas, in Jesus' generation. I'm sure they wooed many wealthy people and
powerful elites at their palaces, and I wonder how and to what extent an
understanding of that lifestyle would have filtered down to someone like Jesus.
Of course, Jesus never would have been inside one of those places. Would he
have met a guy who visited Herod Antipas' palaces? Or would Jesus have met the
guy who met the guy who visited Herod Antipas' palaces? Or would Jesus have
been four removed, and thus received no communication whatsoever about it? In
Luke 7, Jesus talks about John the Baptist--"What did you go out into the
wilderness to see? A reed shaken by the wind? Those in soft clothing and fine
raiment, those who live in luxury in kings' palaces?" I think Jesus was
juxtaposing John the Baptist with the likes of Herod Antipas, so I think he was
aware of the disparity. What's the biggest misperception people
have about what biblical archaeologists do? I'm always embarrassed when I come back from excavations and people ask me, "What did you find?" The archaeologists I work with are looking at social history, and particularly at issues of gender. We're not looking for huge palaces, fortifications or gold crowns. We're literally excavating in the houses of the common people. So what did I find? Well, I found a beaten floor. I found where they threw their kitchen scraps. I know what they ate over a hundred-year period. I know that they weren't wealthy enough to have nice frescoes. None of what I found is pretty--none of it is going to make it into a museum. But it helps me paint a picture of what was going on in Jesus' Galilee. |